When I break it down for them to the point they have no logical response their favorite tactic is either hurling insults or calling me a 'racist' for doing do.
People seem to have forgotten their Sociology 101. Every ethnic group has bigotry and prejudice prevalent in it. Racism is a dominant social group using its bigotry and prejudice infused with power (political, economic, social, sexual, military, or police) to act against a minority social group or an individual in that group in order to retard or roll back their societal progress.
Power is the key element in racism..
Thought I'd give you an example of what I deal with just so you know that Moni isn't sellin' you woof tickets about some of the Hateraid she gets from time to time.
It all started innocently enough when Ashley Love commented in a FB message about the lack of coverage in the trans and gayosphere about the Sunday reception to honor President Obama. It was held at the just concluded NBJC Out In DC event that coincided with the Annual Legislative Conference held by the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation.
Ashley September 21 at 12:47pm Reply
i hear u. but I'm so frustrated. personal attacks is not the same as pressure. why dont we put more pressure on McCain and the republicans
September 21 at 12:50pm
Because many of the peeps in Gay Inc want to be just like the GOP. They want their WP back and see the only thing keeping them from it is their sexuality.
At that point the fun began.
Nataliya September 21 at 1:11pm Reply
the president has done very little of what he promised.
and how dare you Monica. stop being racist. black lgbt are ashamed because no one helps them, it's not the "white peoples" fault. by saying that you will do nothing but make racism in the lgbt sector, we don't need that.
After a long post from Dennis Repealdadt Veite about his take over what President Obama hasn't done, another comment pops up which attempts to microanalyze or derail what I said in the initial response to Ashley.
Wendy September 21 at 1:25pm Reply
I know what Monica is trying to say, but perhaps has too wide of net cast. I don't speak for HRC who is grossly underrepresented. There are many, many white and non-white LGBT's right now fighting hard for EQUAL privilege not WP, and the do not 'criticize the President' campaign runs the risk of alienating allies right now, of which I am one of, who reserve my right and duty to criticize ANY President regardless of nationality. I also defend Ashleys right to criticize the Tea Party freaks, but we are not them.
Monica Roberts September 21 at 1:37pm
Nobody in the AA TBLG community, myself included, has said you can't criticize the president, Wendy. The problem as POC's see and perceive it is the criticism of President Obama has gone TOO far in one direction, is coming primarily from one ethnic group, and the loudest critics are those who were Hillary supporters..
When we compare and contrast the virulent criticism of President Obama it to GLBT silence and lack of direct protest action toward your GOP oppressors, it pisses us and our allies in the AA community off.
That comment, as you see, was totally ignored
Wendy September 21 at 1:48pm Reply
So YOU are making the racist connections, not those accused. I personally been told I cannot criticize the black president because I am white by the above mentioned so you cannot really claim that. Obama is being criticized by progressives and GLBT progressives because he campaigned for their votes and cash and has since with the appointment of Rahm Emmanuel thrown their issues under the bus. To which they have valid criticisms. I'd recommend taking your racist assertions to the Tea Party where they belong, not gin up a race war in the community.
Wendy September 21 at 1:49pm Reply
And on that note, I'm done. I'm too busy taking the fight to my GOP and Dem oppressors to engage in a false and unproductive war with my own.
Dennis September 21 at 1:50pm Reply
Monica: What silence? We have and are protesting against the GOP officials. GetEQUAL just staged a protest to McCain's DADT stand just this past week. I'm not sure what you're seeing as silence and lack of direct action.
And I'm not sure if this has been noticed or not but some of Obama's loudest critics, aren't white.
I don't care if Hilary Clinton was in office; if she were doing the same crappy job, I'd be speaking just as loudly as I am right now. It doesn't have anything to do with race. Why does that keep getting brought up?
Monica Roberts September 21 at 1:54pm
Racism equals prejudice plus power, Wendy. It's interesting that when I point out a fact of life in America that race permeates everything in American society, people like you who are wallowing in 'whiteness' and unacknowledged privilege are quick to inaccurately call me 'racist' to deflect that reality..
The GLBT community as a subset of the greater society, is not immune to American's problems with race and dealing with the insidious nature of the doctrine of 'whiteness'
Dennis September 21 at 1:56pm Reply
This is not about race. It's truly sad that you can't see past that. And now I'm done to. This conversation is counterproductive. Good day everyone.
She'll be back in a few minutes. But a note to Dennis.
Bull feces Dennis, it most certainly is and does have an element of race in it. Even President Jimmy Carter acknowledged that the criticism of President Obama have racist elements in it.
Okay we now return you to you regularly scheduled post.
Then Wendy loses it...
Wendy September 21 at 1:58pm Reply
f**k you and your wallowing bulls**t. You have no knowledge of me or who and what I fight for. Tell that to my Ugandan LGBT's and they will laugh you off the planet, you fool.
Again with the fallback to Uganda. What's up with that? Uganda is not germane to this discussion
Then Nataliya piles on..
Nataliya September 21 at 2:01pm Reply
i second that, i help people in uganda write letters to embassies. i translate letters into many languages so they can seek asylum in the west. don't dare pull the race card.
i'm russian and tatar, people hate tatar because of OUR race, so don't act like only black people get the blunt of racism.
people like you make our country divided. when will you be satisfied? only a few years ago we would not even have a black president.
Ashley tried to play peacemaker here, but it was already on like Donkey Kong.
Ashley September 21 at 2:05pm Reply
Ladies let's be cordial. I doubt anyone on this thread is racist. You all are friends. I just wanted to hear your thoughts, and I appreciate them, and I have a lot to think about it. Let's just try to see where the MANY black (and non black) lgbt activists and leaders are saying about the personal attacks. MLK didn't attack Kennedy when things were going just as slow
Monica Roberts September 21 at 2:08pm
Dennis, many of us in the AA TBLG community sincerely doubt that 'If Hillary were in the WH we'd be protesting just as loudly' sentiment.
If Hillary were in the WH, I'd be willing to bet that the peeps in the GLBT community who supported her would be pointing out the facts that President Hillary Rodham Clinton inherited two wars, a crappy economy in free fall toward depression, and was being opposed by a GOP determined to make sure her presidency failed just for starters.
I find that interesting GetEqual is only doing so now in the face of criticism from the AA GLBT community of the imbalance.
but I'll be interested in seeing GetEqual or similar GLBT orgs disrupting speeches of GOP officials or their fundraising events like they did with President Obama's speech at a Cali fundraiser recently? When am I going to see on gayosphere blogs the same virulent rhetoric aimed at the GOP that you aim at President Obama in your posts and comments?
And is GOPProud and the Log Cabin Republicans closing the GayTM for GOP politicians and a party that has used you as a political punching bag for the last 20 years?
Nataliya September 21 at 2:10pm Reply
F**K ALL OF THE GROUPS!
we are queer, not black not white not republican not democrat, just get over it. lets just all agree we are queer and fight together and get common victory!.
Nataliya, if you were paying attention and it's obvious tat this point you aren't, Black GLBT peeps hate being described by the word 'queer'
Monica Roberts September 21 at 2:13pm
@Wendy...To quote the poet laureate Gwendolyn Brooks, 'Truth tellers are not always palatable..there's a preference for candy bars.'
Who is the person resorting to insults because she heard stuff that didn't fit neatly into her vanilla flavored viewpoint?
Wendy then posts this link from Robert F. Kennedy before sending this next message
Wendy September 21 at 2:17pm Reply
as apposed to your what, chocolate one? how utterly offensive. Don't take it as an insult, take it as a conviction.
Dennis September 21 at 2:19pm Reply
Monica: You are seriously misinformed. You make assumptions without facts and you pretend to know things that you do not (you have no idea who I am or what I fight for; you simply see a white person criticizing a black person regardless of the facts involved). If you want to make any real change, you should seriously rethink your approach. I'm dismissing you now as irrelevant because your statements have proven that you lack information and the desire to actually obtain that information and have a civilized conversation on the subject. I sincerely hope that someday you're able to overcome your barriers and join this fight. The LGBT community needs you.
Monica Roberts September 21 at 2:19pm
People like me who tell the truth about race and race relations in this country aren't the ones who are 'keeping it divided' as you claim, it's the people wallowing in 'whiteness' and those of you who enable white privilege that do when you refuse or dismiss out of hand someone who is giving you an insight into a community and that they are thinking, and is freely sharing their thoughts on how they see things based on their lived experience.
Genia September 21 at 2:22pm Reply
This thread has gotten beyond ridiculous. When people learn how to debate without swearing at each other and acting like children perhaps THEN the LGBTQQIA (hope I didn't forget any letters!) community will get its shit together and start accomplishing something.
I have always been a very vocal critic of both parties - and I don't really care who's in charge at the White House.
I noticed that SOME people in the LGBT community will allow white folks to get away with a whole lot more than they would EVER allow Obama to get away with. Your precious Hillary Clinton gave us DOMA. Go yell at her! And Bill Clinton gave us DADT. Go yell at him! Bush tried writing discrimination AGAINST homosexuals into the Constitution with his stupid Federal Marriage Amendment Act. A whole lot of our white brothers and sisters have forgotten that. All they care about is the fact that a Black man is in the White House and he's taking his sweet time giving the white folks full equality. WHERE was GetEqual during the Clinton years? WHERE was GetEqual when Bush was trying to pass the Federal Marriage Amendment Act? I'll tell ya where: Sitting on their asses letting a white man screw 'em over - and doing absolutely nothing about it. But let a Black man do the same thing and all hell breaks loose.
You're an uneducated, whiney, childish brat if you DARE claim that the anti-Obama rhetoric isn't race-based. It most certainly is.
So after Genia called her out, Wendy resumed the Monica is a 'racist' attack
Wendy September 21 at 2:23pm Reply
people like you are todays racists Monica.
Monica Roberts September 21 at 2:25pm
Dennis, your opinion. And it is the height of arrogance for you to assume or presume what I am thinking when you don't know me either.
Answer this question for me Dennis, why is the lived experience of Whites considered 'more authoritative' that the lived experiences of POC? Why is it that we are are told repeatedly by whites that we're not supposed to be 'angry' over things that happen to us, but 'angry white people' are celebrated in this culture are exalted and praised?
Monica Roberts September 21 at 2:28pm
Wendy, racism equals prejudice plus power Wendy.. Racism is a majority group taking your prejudices, infusing them with power (social, political, economic, sexual, military, or police power) and using them to retard or hold back the progress of a minority group,
That's something you should have learned in Sociology 101
Nataliya September 21 at 2:34pm Reply
Monica, you are a racist.
and "white folks"? REALLY. wow. never have i met two racist people at once, bud damn, today i sure have.
Nataliya September 21 at 2:35pm Reply
i'm anti obama and i'm not racist! how dare you! how fucking dare you!
you sound like a gop tea party memeber.
if you don't like us, you're a communist.
but with you, if you don't like someone who happens to be black, you're a racists. hmmmm such ignorance.
Monica Roberts September 21 at 2:46pm
Didn't say you were Nataliya, you only presumed it.
You presumed that I was 'racist', without knowing anything about me other than my skin color, because I dare to point out the hypocrisy in the GLBT community's criticism of president Obama when they haven't exerted an equal or heightened amount of vitriol at their GOP oppressors in the same time frame that they've been loudly criticizing the Obama administration.
Genia September 21 at 2:49pm Reply
I'm definitely a racist. My half-white kids know it. My white ex-husband knows it, my white best friend knows it and my white fiancee knows it, too.
Have a great day, everyone!
Wendy September 21 at 3:00pm Reply
not "presume", accuse. That seems to work for you Monica. You accuse all of us of doing nothing against Bush and his war criminal crew of neo-cons, without ANY facts or knowledge otherwise!!! Just accusation alone and the color of skin. How confederate is that. And Genia, duh!
Nataliya September 21 at 3:04pm Reply
my african american boyfriend, he knows i'm racist too!
goodness Genia, we have so much in common.
Monica Roberts September 21 at 3:17pm
@Natalya And having an alleged AA boyfriend wont stop you from exercising that WP you're wallowing in either.
Nataliya September 21 at 3:22pm Reply
oh just go f***k yourself.
i don't need your support or believe of anything i say. i've made it this far, i will continue to move on, unlike you.
Once again Ashley tried to play peacemaker:
Ashley September 21 at 3:29pm Reply
Please refrain from swear words
Monica Roberts September 21 at 3:34pm
Seems like the only one having a problem with what I said and can't get past it is you, Nataliya. have a nice day....
Wendy September 21 at 3:45pm Reply
seems fair considering the diatribe and baseless accusations Ashley. You are picking a fight based on race with the wrong people you seem intent on having because you are not taking your fight to the correct people. I will no longer subject myself to it Ashley. Another ally bites the dust.
To Wendy and Nataliya, you promise?
And even after I started compiling this post, they STILL kept coming back to post on this thread.
As you can see here the smell of vanilla flavored privilege was overwhelming in this discourse. We weren't even two posts into this before I was getting slammed with the 'racist' epithet.
They tried to attack my intelligence, derail the thread, and do everything possible sidetrack the focus of the conversation from dealing with why my blog was the only one in the transosphere besides the IFGE website that posted about the Sunday NBJC Obama reception.
Then they got their noses out of joint about a comment I made about Gay, Inc. It's a sentiment hat is regularly expressed and said in internal chocolate GLBT community discourse. So if you don't like it, do something constructive to change our perceptions about it.
But this entire conversation reminded me of an Albert B. Cleage, Jr. quote:
Truth is that which serves the interests of a people. Two groups of people locked in combat cannot be expected to have the same truth.
The truth is the GLBT community has an unaddressed problem with race. Another truth is that even if we all see the same event, a white GLBT person is going to see it one way, I and my fellow TBLG/SGL people are going to see it another way, and a Latino/a or Asian GLBT person is going to have another take on it based on all our lived experiences, class, and other factors. Sometimes those of us in the same ethnic groups will have different takes on it.
But one piece of advice to get that long needed conversation on race in the GLBT community started. Do not under any circumstances use the conservafool definition of 'racism'.
Racism is prejudice plus power, and the power element is part and parcel to it.