tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post6827525394533323038..comments2024-03-20T06:44:28.606-05:00Comments on TransGriot: Your Pink Sheets Are ShowingMonica Robertshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-50945771816798199162009-01-21T06:28:00.000-06:002009-01-21T06:28:00.000-06:00MHCYou still missed the gist of this article. That...MHC<BR/>You still missed the gist of this article. <BR/><BR/>That racism in the GLBT community is a problem, and elements of that community felt comfortable enough in their bigotry to use it in an attempt to silence a comment I wrote on my blog.<BR/><BR/>George Wallace, Ross Barnett and Lester Maddox never worse those hoods, but were examples of the whites who through their words and actions expressed the same racist sentiments that undergirded the Klan's more violent methods for oppressing and opposing the civil rights movement.<BR/><BR/>Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr once said, "It's not the racists in white sheets I'm worried about, it's the ones who wear Brooks Brothers shoes and Gucci pumps."Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-80518671362664494712009-01-19T18:52:00.000-06:002009-01-19T18:52:00.000-06:00Go Go Jo Jo... I'd love to continue the conversati...Go Go Jo Jo... I'd love to continue the conversation. And, I didn't intend to imply that I wanted a "cookie." I was replying to being called a hater. <BR/><BR/>I didn't mean to come into Monica's safe space. I posted my original comment at Bilerico.com (where she cross-posted) and Queerty.com, too; not just here. <BR/><BR/>We are having multiple conversations... each of them with multiple complex layers. The non-KKK vs. KKK thing really wasn't a point of mine: If it showed through, I didn't intend for it to. My main point was comparing members of an oppressed minority to at least one of the groups that oppresses them: Kind of like comparing a Jew to a Nazi, you know. <BR/><BR/>My email address is publicly available so, I'm not afraid to share it here: matt@interstateq.com. Go Go Jo Jo, I hope you'll email me. I'd love to continue the conversation. <BR/><BR/>In fact, my desire for further conversation is open to everyone, Monica included. And, despite the hard-hitting comments between us, I hope Monica doesn't think I hate her or despise her. It's just the opposite: We play on the same team, want the same things for our country and society. I just happened to disagree with just one small part of her reasoning, a part that sincerely and deeply offended me.MHChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04321672760340333442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-48857736367111829992009-01-19T18:49:00.000-06:002009-01-19T18:49:00.000-06:00@MHC oh and i really was confused about the name t...@MHC oh and i really was confused about the name thing but i know i commented in a snarky way. thanks for clearing that up.Go Go Jo Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388379030636921693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-83320710762407502672009-01-19T18:32:00.000-06:002009-01-19T18:32:00.000-06:00I'm not allowing you to TR Knight me. and with tha...<I>I'm not allowing you to TR Knight me. </I><BR/><BR/>and with that ladies and gentlemen i bow gracefully to the mistress of the ring.<BR/><BR/>@MHC<BR/><BR/>it seems to me that we're having like three different conversatioins. one where you seem to think that monica didn't go far enough making a distinction between white gay allies of the black community and racists in the white lgbt community. my problem is the way you presented that argument as if monica owed it to you. and that goes against my no cookies policy (i.e. if one needs metaphorical or literal cookies for their ally work--they need to reflect.)<BR/><BR/>the second whether it is okay to compare non-KKK racists to KKK racist because of the iconic nature of the KKK's racial violence in american history. i have already said that to me the heart of the comparison is about the ideological similarities and not necessarily the actions. i get that you might not agree that those are distinguishable and therefore the are upset about the comparison. however, to me racism is a racism is a racism. none are more or less redeemable because of organizational affiliations.<BR/><BR/>third conversation is whether or not you're being personally attacked in this thread. and while that wasn't my original intent--i really just found your statements about the KKK not caring about whiteness ridiculously offensive. but then you continued with some pretty unally like behavior demanding an apology from monica in her safe space so...yeah its also about your behavior and how i think it was inappropriate. i am sure that you'll disagree with me on this point too.<BR/><BR/>ultimately, i don't think that we will agree on any of the above issues soon and i feel like we're bringing drama to monica's space that deflects from this posts message and the relatively calm conversation going on in response. i would propose then to move this conversation (if you really still want to have it and if you don't, that's fine too) to my blog.Go Go Jo Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388379030636921693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-7579382997013960262009-01-19T17:48:00.000-06:002009-01-19T17:48:00.000-06:00MHC,If the whole point of your comments is: "But w...MHC,<BR/><BR/>If the whole point of your comments is: "But we're not ALL like that!", then you missed the fucking point.<BR/><BR/>The fact that you feel entitled to an apology for being "compared to the KKK" but insist on not being a racist is also an indicator that you missed the fucking point.<BR/><BR/>The post is about <I>racists in the GLBT community</I>. If you are not a racist then it is not calling you one. The fact that you are getting defensive indicates a guilty conscience from where I'm sitting.<BR/><BR/>Even if you aren't feeling guilty, it is still the height of arrogance and privilege to come into a space like this and demand to be catered to. This is not your space, this is Monica's space. She does not owe you squat.Dorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13676888930241945753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-7014450799685859972009-01-19T13:22:00.000-06:002009-01-19T13:22:00.000-06:00MHC,I'm not allowing you to TR Knight me. Get it ...MHC,<BR/>I'm not allowing you to TR Knight me. <BR/><BR/>Get it through your thick skull that I'm not apologizing for what I said in that post than you conclusion jumped on. I have nothing to apologize for and stand by what I wrote.<BR/><BR/>The documented facts are (see The Task Force 2002 report on the issues) and recent racist statements by gay peeps in the wak of the Prop 8 loss) that Some of you white gays ARE racist. <BR/><BR/>I clearly quantified that in the post, but you continue to deliberately miss that.<BR/><BR/>And guess what, your disrespectful demand for an apology when you haven't done so from the Queerty folks who started this crap in the first place is getting old.<BR/><BR/>You are wallowing in white privilege by feeling you can wander onto my blog and demand an apology for something I never said.<BR/><BR/>Lets' be real for a moment. Some of you are blind and willfully ignorant to that fact that you benefit from WMP, and anybody that calls you on that fact you use bullying and silencing techniques up to and including racist name calling to silence them.<BR/><BR/>Did that make it any clearer?<BR/><BR/>Also, if the post ain't about you as Renee at Womanist Musings so eloquently stated, don't make it about you.<BR/><BR/>Bottom line, until I get an apology form Queerty's editors for them allowing the racist attacks on me on Martin Luther King's birthday, you can wait for a apology from me for telling the truth on y'all about as long as my people have had to wait for slavery reparations.<BR/><BR/>Happy King Day!Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-52299494498159897972009-01-19T07:36:00.000-06:002009-01-19T07:36:00.000-06:00No, Go Go Jo Jo, I did not misspell your name on p...No, Go Go Jo Jo, I did not misspell your name on purpose.<BR/><BR/>I don't understand how anyone can say I haven't been trying to have thoughtful discussion. I've been trying to have a thoughtful discussion from the beginning, hence my long, well-thought out first comment, which I poured over for more than an hour. I posted it here, but also at Bilerico.com, where Monica cross-posted this post. <BR/><BR/>I hate it when people put words in my mouth -- when people assume I am something I'm not -- when people call me a "chump" and a "hater" without any regards to knowing who I am, what I've done, how many family and friends I've pissed off and lost, who can no longer stand to be around me because I call out their racism and because I decided to be an ally to African-Americans and expose white privilege. And then, on top of all that, after being a victim myself of the South's hateful legacy, get burned by being compared to the KKK. That. Went. Too. Far.<BR/><BR/>My main point, which was deleted by Monica:<BR/><BR/>The point is (1) lumping victims of hate into a group with those who hate them, and (2) using blanket statements that paint a whole community stereotypically.<BR/><BR/>I'm not asking you to apologize to the white gay community... you evidently didn't read what I asked...<BR/><BR/>"I think Monica Roberts owes an apology to all of the white gay people and white straight people <B>who have stood up against the KKK since their inception</B>. I think she owes an apology to all the <B>gay people who've suffered directly at the hands of the KKK, or indirectly from the hateful legacy</B> they've left in the South."<BR/><BR/>1. White gay and straight people who have stood up against the KKK.<BR/>2. Gay people (no race mentioned) who have been victims of direct KKK or indirect KKK-legacy violence and hate.MHChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04321672760340333442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-29223976347500418942009-01-19T07:17:00.000-06:002009-01-19T07:17:00.000-06:00MHC,Honestly, I can't decide if you are intentiona...MHC,<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I can't decide if you are intentionally misspelling my name or not. Or if it is supposed to be an insult (it's not) or a nickname (I don't like it). Either way, I'd prefer it if you didn't. Go Go or Jo Jo are both fine or you know the full thing. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>Yes I might have some clue about the homophobic/racial violence perpetrated by the KKK. I have lived here most of my life and grew up in a town with an active chapter. I have other reasons but I don't really think its necessary to give you my credentials.<BR/><BR/>Okay, so perhaps I can be more eloquent with my position. I do not think that you have the right to tell Monica whether or not she "went too far" as if she is some how incapable of coming to a reasoned stance on this issue and decided to say it for--I don't knowo shits and giggles--and you needed to tell her it was a problem. I get that you might not think that is what you did. But to understand the responses that you received you might want to consider that something more is going on besides me not reading your post clearly. You stepped into the safe space of a woman of color, attempted to teach her something about racism (what are the degrees) and anti-racism activism (i.e. what is going too far or not.) If you are someone who considers themselves and ally then you might want to think about what the role of an ally is.<BR/><BR/>As to the "difference" between being a "racist" a-hole and a KKK member. Do you think all members of the KKK are involved in acts of physical violence? They aren't. Many of them are/were just random men and women going around trying to reek emotional and psychological damage on people of color. Many of them are and have been professionals, blue collar workers parts of everyday society. More than a few now sit in congress or have in the past and several of those gentlemen are supposedly (I don't personally give a shit) reformed. So if you're trying to suggest that there is something "special" about the racism of the KKK and/or its members I don't agree with you. But I already said that. Restating it like you don't believe me without giving a nuanced reasons as to why doesn't convince me otherwise. <BR/><BR/>Also your statement seems to say (and this might not be what you mean) that there is a difference between "regular" racist assholes and the KKK because one believes in white supremacy. As if a belief in white supremacy could some how be divorced from racism. <BR/><BR/>Now I have to go to work were I will be unable to respond to any reply that you give. However, that is not because I am unwilling to respond and I will check back here if you want to have a thoughtful discussion.Go Go Jo Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388379030636921693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-46179811805093417712009-01-19T06:40:00.000-06:002009-01-19T06:40:00.000-06:00Go Go Joe, I never said gay people couldn't be rac...Go Go Joe, I never said gay people couldn't be racist. And, thanks to Rev. Irene, I've learned many lessons since college and try every day to be an ally. I even agreed with the premise of Monica's post.<BR/><BR/>I just think she went too far, comparing the hated with the haters. That's my main discomfort. <BR/><BR/>GoGoJoe, did you read my first comment here? Do you think that anti-gay hatred in the South is disconnected from the KKK's legacy? What about all the gay people killed by the KKK, too?<BR/><BR/>Not understanding white privilege and being a general racist a-hole is a lot different than being a KKK member and believing in white supremacy. For the former, lessons can still be learned and soaked in (I'm evidence). For the latter, pretty much all hope is lost.MHChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04321672760340333442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-12589764835145285032009-01-19T01:38:00.000-06:002009-01-19T01:38:00.000-06:00also (because i want to offer something relatively...also (because i want to offer something relatively constructive to my little rant) the notion that because one belongs to one oppressive community cannot also oppress others is...ummm one that i disagree. i think its interesting to say that there is racism in the lgbt community and then that its not okay to compare people to the KKK. EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT MONICA WAS DOING. <BR/><BR/>because apparently the racism of the KKK is worse? admittedly the actions that are perpetrated because of that racism are/have been more heinous. the "-ism" is the same. racism is racism. there is not racism!lite.<BR/><BR/>interlocking/intersectional privileges and oppressions exist. being gay doesn't make you (universal you in this instance) not racist nor does it make your racist behaviors (*cough*) not as problematic as other people like say right-wing neo-con republicans.Go Go Jo Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388379030636921693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-46811044579263134232009-01-19T01:11:00.000-06:002009-01-19T01:11:00.000-06:00MHC,The KKK don't care that you're white? Are you ...MHC,<BR/><BR/>The KKK don't care that you're white? Are you serious? I think you might not get the whole history of the organization to say that.<BR/><BR/>Also it's really motherfucking disrespectful for you to come into a Black woman's space and tell her about how she can't say when shit is racist. She didn't take the photo of the person in the pink shit. Instead of getting mad at her for posting the picture and speaking truth to power maybe you should get mad at the person walking around in the fucking sheet. <BR/><BR/>I am not going to insult your intelligence though I want to in my anger. My real point is that you should get some anti-racist training and do some work on how to be a white ally to people of color because if you thought you came here and spoke your mind in a "respectful" way. You are sadly mistaken.<BR/><BR/>I call bullshit.Go Go Jo Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388379030636921693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-77456284986755881912009-01-18T21:43:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:43:00.000-06:00Monica... From the very depths of my heart... I wh...Monica... <BR/><BR/>From the very depths of my heart... I wholeheartedly agree that there is racism in the white gay community and I confront it living in Charlotte, NC, everyday. I don't know if you can understand how deeply pained and offended I was by your Pink KKK picture and by comparing gays to the KKK. To be compared to the very people I have had to face in my life is, well, more than words can describe. And I'm sure I'm not the only white gay man who has had to face KKK or KKK-inspired hatred. <BR/><BR/>The KKK doesn't care that I'm white. All they care about is that I'm a faggot. The KKK hates gays just as much as they hate blacks. I don't understand how you can compare the hated and oppressed with the haters and oppressors.MHChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04321672760340333442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-38899300621570770512009-01-18T21:24:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:24:00.000-06:00MHC,I've been patient in trying to articulate my t...MHC,<BR/>I've been patient in trying to articulate my thoughts on this, but since you refuse to at least consider my point of view and continue to push your demands for an apology without considering or conceding the point that the Queerty editors and contributors to that thread were wrong, this discussion is over.<BR/><BR/>This is my cyberhome, and while I encourage open discussion, you are still a guest here.Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-26684914827484059122009-01-18T21:20:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:20:00.000-06:00Why was my last comment removed?Why was my last comment removed?MHChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04321672760340333442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-47672088830039218752009-01-18T20:16:00.000-06:002009-01-18T20:16:00.000-06:00MHC,You're offended by my words? Helo, I had peo...MHC,<BR/>You're offended by my words? <BR/><BR/>Helo, I had people call me crazy, call me a 'failed gay', spout racist invective about me on Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's 80th birthday and you're demanding I apologize to you and the white gay community?<BR/><BR/>The point is, you keep belaboring the fiction that I called ALL white gays racist. Only some of you fit that mold, a point which I clearly made in the post had any of you bothered to read deeper into it.<BR/><BR/>Since you and my critics missed that, here's the remix:<BR/><BR/><B>While not all white GLBT peeps exhibit this behavior and are wonderful allies in many cases, there are however too many of them that exhibit the same reprehensible tactics to silence messages they don't want to hear to where it constitutes a major problem.</B><BR/><BR/>The reality is that some of your gay brothers and sisters do share those racist tendencies. <BR/><BR/>Enough of them do to where it registered in the results of the Black pride 2000 survey that was the source for the 2002 Task Force report 'Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud'<BR/><BR/>That report BTW is available for you and my critics to peruse gratis at the Task Force website.<BR/> <BR/>So when I say that there's racism in the GL community, I'm not talking about the flare up that recently happened post Prop 8. <BR/><BR/>It's a cumulative thing I have witnessed over the 15 plus years I've been involved and observed the GLBT communityMonica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-8883692494248210142009-01-18T19:11:00.000-06:002009-01-18T19:11:00.000-06:00MHC,Why is it imcumbent upon me to apologize for s...MHC,<BR/>Why is it imcumbent upon me to apologize for speaking my mind just because you as a white gay man demand it?Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-87253265331716552952009-01-18T18:36:00.000-06:002009-01-18T18:36:00.000-06:00And you missed these paragraphs, Monica (and argua...And you missed these paragraphs, Monica (and arguably the whole comment):<BR/><BR/>"Although Monica had a little foreword ("not all white GLBT peeps exhibit this behavior"), her later use of blanket labels is unacceptable.<BR/><BR/>"We shouldn't stand for stereotyped images or language about black people, and we shouldn't accept it when stereotyped images or languages are used against white people, either. Fair is Fair."<BR/><BR/>You're going to lower yourself to Dan Savage's level? Just because someone else does something wrong and doesn't apologize for it, means that you can do the same?MHChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04321672760340333442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-59808732119494964662009-01-18T18:34:00.000-06:002009-01-18T18:34:00.000-06:00MHC,reread that post. Many of you who have been ...MHC,<BR/>reread that post. Many of you who have been so quick to conclusion jump and criticize me missed this paragraph.<BR/><BR/><I>While not all white GLBT peeps exhibit this behavior and are wonderful allies in many cases, there are however too many of them that exhibit the same reprehensible tactics to silence messages they don't want to hear to where it constitutes a major problem.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not going to apologize for speaking my mind about this issue. If Dan Savage isn't apologizing e for his incorrect statements about the African-American community post Prop 8, why should I?Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-87278163816347488642009-01-18T18:22:00.000-06:002009-01-18T18:22:00.000-06:00While I agree with the general premise of Monica R...While I agree with the general premise of Monica Roberts' post, I am a little offended by her willy-nilly use of blanket statements that, intentionally or not, indict the whole white LGBT community for the sins of the few.<BR/><BR/>I'm all for open discussion. I'm all for saying like it is. I'm all for calling out white privilege where and when it exists (thanks to Rev. Irene for these lessons), but I am NOT for making blanket characterizations of whole communities.<BR/><BR/>That's what Monica's done in this post with statements like "the white LGBT community" and "white LGBT blogosphere."<BR/><BR/>Although Monica had a little foreword ("not all white GLBT peeps exhibit this behavior"), her later use of blanket labels is unacceptable.<BR/><BR/>We shouldn't stand for stereotyped images or language about black people, and we shouldn't accept it when stereotyped images or languages are used against white people, either. Fair is Fair.<BR/><BR/>Further... I'm extremely, extremely offended ("outraged" and "pissed off" would be better words) that Monica Roberts has compared white gays to the Ku Klux Klan. As an LGBT Southerner (as is Monica - she should know these lessons already), I'm outraged that my entire community is being compared to a group of people (or people influenced by that group's legacy) that would just as quickly beat or kill me as they would Monica.<BR/><BR/>The KKK is nothing to joke or play around with.<BR/><BR/>Several times, students at N.C. State University have tried to organize a KKK chapter. In the late 1990s, several pro-LGBT messages painted in NCSU's "Free Expression Tunnel" were defaced with violent messages.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.interstateq.com/images/tunnel3_sm.jpg" REL="nofollow">Picture 1</A><BR/><A HREF="http://www.interstateq.com/images/tunnel4_sm.jpg" REL="nofollow">Picture 2</A><BR/>(Photo credit: NC State University GLBT Center)<BR/><BR/>Notice how one of the messages is displayed right under announcements for African-American History Month.<BR/><BR/>Does anyone seriously think the KKK-organizing and this type of anti-gay hatred and violence are unrelated? Whether she intended it or not, Monica Roberts has thrown all white gay people, perhaps all white people, into the same group as the KKK.<BR/><BR/>I sure as hell know I'm not the same as the KKK. I know my 80-year-old grandpa isn't the same either.<BR/><BR/>"No body ever knew who they were. They weren't public. I never really did care for them much," my grandpa told me when I once asked him if he ever knew people in the KKK. "They did a whole lot of hurt and caused a whole of pain to a lot people who didn't deserve it." He went on to use words like "downright terrible" to describe the things he saw. I could see the anger in his eyes when he talked about remembering them riding though town.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we should be more careful about how we throw around the KKK's hateful and murderous legacy.<BR/><BR/>I think Monica Roberts owes an apology to all of the white gay people and white straight people who have stood up against the KKK since their inception. I think she owes an apology to all the gay people who've suffered directly at the hands of the KKK, or indirectly from the hateful legacy they've left in the South.<BR/><BR/>And I think she should be more careful about how she paints the entire white gay community based on her contempt for the exhibited white privilege of a few, anonymous users at Queerty.com.MHChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04321672760340333442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-40808354406175927822009-01-18T16:01:00.000-06:002009-01-18T16:01:00.000-06:00@ AT oops sorry for the mischaracterizaton then. a...@ AT oops sorry for the mischaracterizaton then. and yeah i can get behind that. right now i am in wait and see mode though. that and realizing that people voting "for change" doesn't mean they want to happen in their personal lives or to do the hard work of making it happen. but living in conservative tx is making me really cynical these days.<BR/><BR/>oh i don't know if you lj but i am a member of an awesome comm there on race and popular culture. the comm often has really good discussions of representations of Native Americans in pop culture. <BR/>(linky: http://community.livejournal.com/deadbrowalking/tag/ndnz)<BR/><BR/>But i agree with you about the "nobel savage" stereotype being a negative image that often people try to pretend is positive. Part of my first discussions of blackface in college actually had to do with "redface" because historically Native Americans were misrepresented in US minstrel shows as well. In fact most marginalized ethnic racial groups in the US were exploited this way in popular culture. Unfortunately in modern racial humor, even as people often try to bring nuanced portrayals of their cultural group, they still reenact the other racial stereotypes. See like almost every representations of Asian Americans in Black film today.<BR/><BR/>Also you say it that way because your cool and that's how cool people say it. :0)Go Go Jo Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388379030636921693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-47654177370192022162009-01-18T14:59:00.000-06:002009-01-18T14:59:00.000-06:00Not end racial animosity...you can't do that with ...Not end racial animosity...you can't do that with an election. The point for me was to take a step in a new direction. Radically change the tone and behavior. <BR/><BR/>His character, intellect and vision. These were the political reasons to vote for him. His background is what made it personal for me.<BR/><BR/>i'm not black, so i'm completely incapable of understanding your perspective with tricky racial humour. But i can tell you from my perspective, the 'tragic noble savage' angle media portrays for past and present tribe is very one-dimensional and tiresome. My family is more than a one-note people.<BR/><BR/>Dealing with the anger and throwing away the bullshit is a great way to articulate it! Sometimes like lately i get exhausted from shoveling.<BR/><BR/>And i *always* pronounce it 'buh-log-na'...Anonymous Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16510607142721839201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-36143198398115377062009-01-18T11:14:00.000-06:002009-01-18T11:14:00.000-06:00Well said, Ethan... I always thought the tran inc...Well said, Ethan...<BR/><BR/> I always thought the tran inclusion issue was like a group of friends showing up at a club, and one being forbidden admittance. So the rest turn to this 'friend' and say, <I>"Well, at least we got in. You go around the back, we'll try to sneak you in later."</I><BR/><BR/> I'll never understand anyone who can do that.<BR/><BR/> This latest Obama issue does indeed show a <B>spoiled brat</B>, self-centered mentality, that some of us already knew existed.SGL Café.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14847279322206810381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-5839296856986794112009-01-18T10:59:00.000-06:002009-01-18T10:59:00.000-06:00Thanks for this post, Monica.I support President e...Thanks for this post, Monica.<BR/>I support President elect Obama 100%. What a great opportunity we have as a nation and as a community to get things on track and I fear that opportunity may pass us by because of the spoiled brats who believe they speak for all of us and who think they are entitled to have everything done their way. They want to stomp their feet and piss and moan while dividing our community and taking the rest of us down with them. It is interesting to see that incrementalism only matters when it comes to other people's civil rights.<BR/><BR/>~EthanHRC Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335972077333372944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-28455376588623864482009-01-18T09:44:00.000-06:002009-01-18T09:44:00.000-06:00Anonymous T, Thanks for sharing your story with me...Anonymous T, <BR/><BR/>Thanks for sharing your story with me. I was kind of confused. And while I don't agree that the point of the election was to end racial animosity in the US (because I don't think that formal politics can do that), I didn't find your comment offensive. <BR/><BR/>The point of my comment wasn't that "white face" is some how better than "black face" only that to try to suggest that they both have the same historical significance in this country is ludicrous. i think racial humor is a very tricky medium in popular culture which is often disappointing because of our inability to loose focus of the radical possibilities that it contains and stoop to "otherizing" (made up a word) some group of people.<BR/><BR/>For example, Chris Rock who does racial humor very well a lot of the time but gets caught up in his whole "good negro/bad nigger" complex which is rooted in shitty class politics IMO.<BR/><BR/>Or better yet Tyler Perry who can't seem to make a movie/play about Black relationships where shit is not ultimately the Black womans fault (name one! anybody) even if she is the subject of abuse its *her* anger and madness that needs to be overcome...sorry about the I-hate-tyler-perry's-work rant.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I agree that often discussions of race and racism on the internet can become vicious and not always effective. However I do think that political anger is important because it motivates people towards activism. The consequence however is that we have to also deal with that anger and unpack it and throw away the bullshit. Not everyone (myself included) does this well all the time so internet discussions get bogged down by tangential hostility.<BR/><BR/>I hope this doesn't sound like I am preaching or lecturing. Not my intent but I get that I often sound that way. :0)Go Go Jo Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06388379030636921693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-84368499241508647592009-01-17T20:08:00.000-06:002009-01-17T20:08:00.000-06:00Anonymous T,if it was offensve, i would have yanke...Anonymous T,<BR/>if it was offensve, i would have yanked it. I'll let Jo Jo speak for herself, but I presume she was trying to empathize with you.Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.com