tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post1099067992293073639..comments2024-03-20T06:44:28.606-05:00Comments on TransGriot: Intersex Separatists, Transpeople Aren't Your EnemyMonica Robertshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-6216115658259719212009-04-05T10:34:00.000-05:002009-04-05T10:34:00.000-05:00Great insight, Monica. I don't think I have the st...Great insight, Monica. I don't think I have the strength or desire to go toe to toe with these irrational arguments. I too didn't even know such a rift existed. I guess I need to start smelling the coffee a lot more!Lori Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01883850750657502492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-69085275817757925212009-04-05T00:04:00.000-05:002009-04-05T00:04:00.000-05:00Wow. I was unaware of this friction, and you're r...Wow. I was unaware of this friction, and you're right. It doesn't make much sense. Both intersex and trans folk not only suffer from similar social stigma, as you mention, but would also benefit from a loosening of our rigid gender roles and expectations, and the strange conception our culture tends to have about the relationship between biological sex and gender. Not to mention the conception that biological sex is not at all socially constructed but set in stone "by nature." <BR/><BR/>But here's the thing. This is one area where I think intersectionality is really crucial and deeply relevant. Our cultural attitudes toward biological sex and gender are harmful to everyone to differing degrees. Without a doubt it's much easier to be cis-gendered, and cis-gendered folk are very privileged But cultural attitudes toward sex and gender hurt all of us, and the more we can loosen them and make sex/gender/sexuality into a more fluid and plastic thing, the better off everyone will be.<BR/><BR/>And this, along with a recent clusterfuck of a post on Feministing, just makes me think more deeply about "passing," and what it means when you're trans vs cis, genderqueer vs gender-binary conforming, gay vs straight, intersex vs. born with a body that conforms to cultural expectations, etc.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08203151255248154129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-83319076797171675032009-04-04T12:31:00.000-05:002009-04-04T12:31:00.000-05:00Idappaccayata,I'm quite aware of what GLBT life is...Idappaccayata,<BR/>I'm quite aware of what GLBT life is like is Houston and glad to hear that things haven't changed since I moved in 2001.<BR/><BR/>Remember I'm from there, cut my activist teeth in H-town and my mentors were Phyllis Frye and Sarah DePalma.<BR/><BR/>One of my roommates was intersex and I got to learn about some of her issues firsthand. One of the peeps involved in the early foundation discussions of NTAC a decade ago was an AA intersex person named Lynnell Stephani Long, who I have much love and respect for.<BR/><BR/>It's also why I have zero tolerance for Nicky and others like them BS.Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-91381703893131226522009-04-04T10:24:00.000-05:002009-04-04T10:24:00.000-05:00Monica -Nick K.D. Chaleunphone is a troll - pure a...Monica -<BR/><BR/>Nick K.D. Chaleunphone is a troll - pure and simple. He have a view of reality that differs from the reality that the vast majority of intersexed folks live in. He fuels his reality by attempting to create situations in which he is arguing with transgender-identified people. <BR/><BR/>For the sake of stemming the tide of needless and counterproductive animosity, I want to make some things very clear:<BR/><BR/>1. While I don’t speak for anywhere else but Houston, in the Houston community, intersex people are very much a part of TG community. The prevailing sentiment by every intersex person I have met in the last 10 years *IN HOUSTON* is that we have much in common and that we work well together.<BR/><BR/>2. *IN HOUSTON*, intersex people with intersex identities who do not want SRS are very supported and honored *IN HOUSTON*.<BR/><BR/>3. *IN HOUSTON*, intersex people are in leadership positions within the TG community, at the TG Center and run TG groups. In fact, one of Houston’s biggest TG leaders over the past decade is an intersex person.<BR/><BR/>4. Personally speaking, the individual who helped me transition more than 10 years ago (and who is not the person I refer to in #3) was born with a penis, ovaries, testicles and a partial uterus. She was the president of the Gulf Coast Transgender Community group.<BR/><BR/>As I said, this may be very different in other places, but *IN HOUSTON*, we see each other as close allies who work well together and support each other.<BR/><BR/>I want to be clear that it is possible that the reality Nicky lives in may be very factual for Nicky. I wanted to be sure that folks know that there is, in reality, another approach that seems to be working well for all of us here in Houston.<BR/><BR/>*In Houston*, transsexuals don’t seem to hate on crossdressers, intersex people don’t seem to hate on transsexuals and crossdressers don’t seem to hate on transvestites. MTFs, FTMs and everyone else are tight - we care a lot for each other. We tend to all get along very well and get a lot done for the whole community - which is very nice!<BR/><BR/>I have never wavered in the belief that downing crossdressers, transgenderists, intersex people, bois, girrls, etc is beneficial. I have never thought that one group is better, cooler or more authentic than the other. Every leader I know *In Houston* shares this same view. I think this fact is a significant reason why Houston is just so cool to be in if you are not the stereotype of male or female.idappaccayatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03906659150571707703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-11853740867937725222009-04-04T08:35:00.000-05:002009-04-04T08:35:00.000-05:00Nick/Nicky's not alone in his transphobia. Not qui...Nick/Nicky's not alone in his transphobia. Not quite. But amongst Intersexed people, pretty close. Even the formerly hostile AISSG has moderated their tone. Too many members transitioned, you see.<BR/><BR/>Most transphobes are privileged white RadFems, and even then, most of the Feminist movement think they're bonkers.<BR/><BR/>Apart from Nicky - who has a condition many Intersexed people don't regard as "Truly Intersexed" BTW - shades of the HBS fanatics - when was the last time you heard an IS person utter blatantly hateful transphobic remarks?<BR/><BR/>At a guess.... never. Nick/Nicky's just a bit prolific. Also mad as a hatter, OCD.Zoe Brainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13712045376060102538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-82350458346892490232009-04-04T03:56:00.000-05:002009-04-04T03:56:00.000-05:00Dennis,I could care less about people like Nicky. ...Dennis,<BR/>I could care less about people like Nicky. <BR/><BR/>If they were serious about advancing the rights of all people, they would be exerting more effort to find allies to do that work instead of pimping a hate filled WP centered agenda.Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-71360743537236220672009-04-04T03:35:00.000-05:002009-04-04T03:35:00.000-05:00I've come to learn that when people start showing ...I've come to learn that when people start showing their ass in response to your statements, that usually means said statements are on point.<BR/><BR/>They're not mad because of what you said, they're mad because what you said is the truth.Dennis R. Upkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01344904892751399666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20389448.post-66436471888110929422009-04-03T20:59:00.000-05:002009-04-03T20:59:00.000-05:00And right on cue, the fool Nicky proves my point.T...And right on cue, the fool Nicky proves my point.<BR/><BR/>Too bad his transphobic comments aren't gonna stay up anywhere except at Maragaret Jamison's place.Monica Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702533200851174728noreply@blogger.com